1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:02,739 We've seen fragments before, 2 00:00:02,740 --> 00:00:04,399 enough to confirm that he kept journals, 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,739 but nothing like this. Are they just 4 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:09,729 fantasies that sustain him? Or are they a record 5 00:00:09,730 --> 00:00:11,599 of nine more murders? 6 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,359 The police say they have a confession, 7 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,110 that you made a number of admissions. 8 00:00:15,580 --> 00:00:16,999 I... I don't remember any of that. 9 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,920 - I understand he's conscious. - Yes, 10 00:00:19,270 --> 00:00:21,259 but there is an issue. 11 00:00:21,260 --> 00:00:24,359 It seems Mr Spector suffered some memory loss. 12 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,469 - Are we supposed to be taking this seriously? - I think we have to. 13 00:00:27,470 --> 00:00:30,149 - Do you know who that is? - No. 14 00:00:30,150 --> 00:00:32,409 You will be held on remand in hospital 15 00:00:32,410 --> 00:00:34,119 until arrangements can be made to 16 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,769 transfer you to a secure psychiatric clinic. 17 00:00:37,770 --> 00:00:39,789 If she told the truth in the first place, 18 00:00:39,790 --> 00:00:41,269 about Spector's whereabouts, 19 00:00:41,270 --> 00:00:43,539 then perhaps Rose Stagg would not have been put through 20 00:00:43,540 --> 00:00:45,109 the ordeal that she has. 21 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:46,410 Drink it all up. 22 00:00:47,750 --> 00:00:49,059 Good girl. 23 00:00:49,060 --> 00:00:50,779 Why are you so kind to me? 24 00:00:50,780 --> 00:00:53,379 If I've done the things that the police say I've done 25 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:54,699 then I'm a monster. 26 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:56,009 It's my job. 27 00:00:56,010 --> 00:00:58,149 He's just the sort of person who would feign 28 00:00:58,150 --> 00:01:00,959 amnesia if he felt that there was something to be gained from it, 29 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,839 even for the sheer delight of duping people, 30 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,519 particularly experts. 31 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,820 Someone like me, for example. 32 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:12,209 I found a murder that looks promising. 33 00:01:12,210 --> 00:01:15,029 Law student, Susan Harper. 34 00:01:15,030 --> 00:01:17,800 The only problem is, there is someone doing time for it. 35 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:19,440 I'll pray for you. 36 00:03:10,930 --> 00:03:12,690 Rise and shine. 37 00:03:20,970 --> 00:03:22,630 Time to get up. 38 00:03:26,650 --> 00:03:28,360 Stella, for star. 39 00:03:29,010 --> 00:03:31,890 Five more minutes, Daddy, please. 40 00:04:33,610 --> 00:04:35,810 THE FALL Season 3 - Episode 4 of6 41 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:41,590 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd Sync: trx 42 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:18,499 There are no scratches or nail marks 43 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:20,709 on the soft parts of the victim's face, 44 00:05:20,710 --> 00:05:22,270 no bruising or 45 00:05:22,580 --> 00:05:24,599 lacerations to the mouth or nose 46 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,050 to suggest they were held closed by a hand. 47 00:05:27,790 --> 00:05:30,609 The original case file suggests that David Alvarez 48 00:05:30,610 --> 00:05:32,839 suffocated her using a pillow. 49 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:35,129 There was no saliva, blood or tissue cells 50 00:05:35,130 --> 00:05:36,789 on any of the pillows, were there? 51 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:38,110 They could have been washed. 52 00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:40,620 Yes, they could. 53 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,779 Do we have the toxicology report? 54 00:05:44,780 --> 00:05:46,230 Page five, Ma'am. 55 00:05:49,710 --> 00:05:51,439 When was the report done? 56 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,069 Susan Harper's body was found cool to the touch 57 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:55,479 on a Monday morning. 58 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,199 Toxicology was 24 hours later, during autopsy. 59 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,350 Tests 24 hours after that on the Wednesday. 60 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:04,019 Based on these figures, 61 00:06:04,020 --> 00:06:07,109 I'd say the victim took cocaine 62 00:06:07,110 --> 00:06:09,510 within hours, minutes, even, from death. 63 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,070 Do we have anything at all to put 64 00:06:13,380 --> 00:06:17,120 Paul Spector or Peter Baldwin in London in 2002? 65 00:06:17,590 --> 00:06:19,100 Nothing as yet, Ma'am. 66 00:06:26,770 --> 00:06:28,970 Was there a plastic bag found at the scene? 67 00:06:30,370 --> 00:06:31,970 No mention that I've seen. 68 00:06:37,550 --> 00:06:40,429 Well, Spector is due to be moved today, 69 00:06:40,430 --> 00:06:43,100 which means the next 70 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,080 part of his assessment is about to begin. 71 00:06:48,060 --> 00:06:50,910 We have to keep believing that it will go to trial... 72 00:06:52,110 --> 00:06:54,149 ..and when it does, we have to put together 73 00:06:54,150 --> 00:06:57,700 as strong an evidential case to the PPS as we possibly can. 74 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:01,280 We have to be ready. 75 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:05,619 The truth of a confession is immaterial. 76 00:07:05,620 --> 00:07:07,179 What is of crucial importance is 77 00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:08,784 how the confession was obtained, 78 00:07:08,785 --> 00:07:10,420 not whether or not it's true. 79 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:12,649 The court must exclude the 80 00:07:12,650 --> 00:07:14,569 confession if it finds it was obtained by oppression 81 00:07:14,570 --> 00:07:17,689 or under circumstances likely to render it unreliable. 82 00:07:17,690 --> 00:07:19,199 I've read the transcripts. 83 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,120 - I didn't see any signs of oppression. - I'm not so sure. 84 00:07:22,650 --> 00:07:25,269 The circumstances are certainly unusual. 85 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:27,329 Why is a Superintendent doing the job 86 00:07:27,330 --> 00:07:28,759 of a Constable or Sergeant, 87 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,229 interviewing a suspect? 88 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:32,639 Surely, when you get to her level, you supervise, 89 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,459 manage and direct the officers, not do their job? 90 00:07:35,460 --> 00:07:37,949 It was at his request, "Just you, Stella, no-one else." 91 00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:39,250 That's my point. 92 00:07:40,310 --> 00:07:42,920 She didn't really use any standard interview techniques. 93 00:07:43,450 --> 00:07:45,749 She didn't offer psychological excuses 94 00:07:45,750 --> 00:07:48,669 or minimise the seriousness of Spector's crimes. 95 00:07:48,670 --> 00:07:50,459 She didn't praise or flatter. 96 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:52,289 She even used leading questions 97 00:07:52,290 --> 00:07:54,480 that elicited one-word answers. 98 00:07:55,050 --> 00:07:57,380 Almost not like a police interview at all - 99 00:07:57,910 --> 00:07:59,900 more like an intimate conversation. 100 00:08:00,780 --> 00:08:03,109 She didn't need to establish a rapport, 101 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:05,479 because their relationship had already been established 102 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:06,789 on the phone. 103 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:08,249 While they were still hunting him, 104 00:08:08,250 --> 00:08:11,160 it's claimed Spector and Gibson had private conversations. 105 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,190 She gave him her personal phone number. 106 00:08:15,710 --> 00:08:18,750 They even suggest he was in her hotel room. 107 00:08:19,940 --> 00:08:21,639 Why would he do something so risky 108 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,749 just to leave an entry in her diary? 109 00:08:23,750 --> 00:08:25,600 It speaks of a kind of obsession. 110 00:08:28,810 --> 00:08:30,150 Stella? 111 00:08:33,020 --> 00:08:34,320 Yes. 112 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:37,800 How nice to hear your voice again. 113 00:08:40,090 --> 00:08:41,480 Is that you, Peter? 114 00:08:42,300 --> 00:08:43,600 Yes. 115 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:46,350 Why are you calling me? 116 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,350 Because I'm looking up at the sky. 117 00:08:51,570 --> 00:08:52,889 Stella. 118 00:08:52,890 --> 00:08:54,740 Shining star. 119 00:08:56,620 --> 00:08:58,100 It's a beautiful night. 120 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:00,130 Made me think of you. 121 00:09:02,010 --> 00:09:04,229 Do we have that diary, that entry? 122 00:09:04,230 --> 00:09:06,249 It hasn't been disclosed so far. 123 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:07,640 Get it. 124 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:09,780 So... 125 00:09:10,860 --> 00:09:14,509 - ..she seduced a confession from him? - Maybe. 126 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:17,079 If you can support what you're suggesting with case law, 127 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,380 legal principals, 128 00:09:18,690 --> 00:09:20,350 I might include it in the brief. 129 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,850 These are all of the books from Spector's lock-up, Ma'am. 130 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,299 Ma'am, 131 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:39,920 there's something you should see. 132 00:10:41,510 --> 00:10:43,479 The wife of the man the police claim 133 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,499 is The Belfast Strangler 134 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:48,759 was involved in a bizarre incident earlier this morning, 135 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,139 captured on video by a passer-by as it unfolded. 136 00:10:52,140 --> 00:10:55,350 Images that some viewers may find disturbing. 137 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:58,019 My God, that's a car. 138 00:10:58,020 --> 00:11:00,180 - Hey, hey! - Michael, be careful! 139 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,069 Hey, hey! 140 00:11:05,070 --> 00:11:06,550 My God. 141 00:11:07,150 --> 00:11:09,929 The car being engulfed by the incoming tide 142 00:11:09,930 --> 00:11:13,009 belongs to Sally-Ann Spector, 32. 143 00:11:13,010 --> 00:11:15,909 The windows are raised, the doors are locked. 144 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:17,969 Inside are her two children. 145 00:11:17,970 --> 00:11:19,779 - My God! - The girl, aged eight, 146 00:11:19,780 --> 00:11:21,600 can be heard calling for help. 147 00:11:22,010 --> 00:11:24,219 Help us, please, help! 148 00:11:24,220 --> 00:11:26,630 - Hey, hey! - I can't wake up Liam! 149 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:28,860 Please, get it open! 150 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:32,189 - Michael! - Jesus Christ. 151 00:11:32,190 --> 00:11:33,490 Mummy! 152 00:11:33,930 --> 00:11:36,579 At last, it seems the doors are unlocked 153 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:40,200 and the two children are lifted clear and carried to safety. 154 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,959 In the background, Sally-Ann Spector 155 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,749 can be seen walking unsteadily 156 00:11:44,750 --> 00:11:46,920 away from the car through the shallows. 157 00:11:47,790 --> 00:11:49,090 Over here. 158 00:11:49,730 --> 00:11:51,279 Are you all right? 159 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,580 She's so cold. 160 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,329 A moment later, the car is almost washed away. 161 00:11:56,330 --> 00:11:57,680 Somebody help that woman! 162 00:12:02,290 --> 00:12:05,139 The family was airlifted by police helicopter 163 00:12:05,140 --> 00:12:07,209 to the Belfast General Hospital, 164 00:12:07,210 --> 00:12:10,239 where Paul Spector is being treated for gunshot wounds 165 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,420 he sustained in Police cust... 166 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:18,740 How were we to know she was that desperate? 167 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:27,010 It's what women do with their anger, Jim. 168 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,560 They harm themselves 169 00:12:30,170 --> 00:12:32,670 or extensions of themselves, their children. 170 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:38,549 What frame of mind must she have been 171 00:12:38,550 --> 00:12:40,770 in to think that they were all better off dead? 172 00:12:42,450 --> 00:12:45,119 Instead of caring for her, 173 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,169 supporting her, all we could do 174 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:48,910 was drag her through the courts and 175 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,340 - threaten her with prison. - It wasn't just down to me. 176 00:12:53,690 --> 00:12:56,340 The DPP was of a similar mind. 177 00:12:57,660 --> 00:12:58,960 Yeah. 178 00:12:59,460 --> 00:13:01,599 Well, now you can add attempted murder 179 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,180 to her list of charges. 180 00:13:08,260 --> 00:13:09,659 All I ever wanted to do 181 00:13:09,660 --> 00:13:12,320 was keep those children safe, Stella, that's all! 182 00:13:19,620 --> 00:13:20,920 Healy. 183 00:13:22,740 --> 00:13:24,040 Right, 184 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:26,049 thanks for letting me know. 185 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:28,419 Spector's wife and children have been taken to the General. 186 00:13:28,420 --> 00:13:29,979 - Why? - It's been on the news. 187 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:31,720 See if you can find it on your phone. 188 00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:37,389 Point of care testing found benzos in the girl's urine. 189 00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:39,449 We haven't managed a sample from the other two. 190 00:14:39,450 --> 00:14:42,819 The son, Liam, is GCS. 12, 13. 191 00:14:42,820 --> 00:14:44,859 With stimulation, he's rousable. 192 00:14:44,860 --> 00:14:47,000 Check the summary care record. 193 00:14:55,260 --> 00:14:57,060 I see she's on the blues. 194 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:59,879 Severe anxiety and insomnia. 195 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,950 Five milligrams TDS, titrating to a maximum of ten, 196 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:04,799 review after two weeks. 197 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,789 So the mother fed the kids the anxiolytics 198 00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:08,729 and then drove them to the sea. 199 00:15:08,730 --> 00:15:10,060 Looks like it. 200 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,199 She's unresponsive, 201 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,530 not saying anything. 202 00:15:24,430 --> 00:15:26,689 Pupils are mid-sized and reactive. 203 00:15:26,690 --> 00:15:29,239 - How's his blood glucose? - Normal. 204 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:30,799 He might need Flumazenil. 205 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,160 Let's put him into paediatric ICU to keep an eye on him. 206 00:15:54,990 --> 00:15:57,369 Right now, she's conscious but not talking. 207 00:15:57,370 --> 00:16:00,240 I don't think she's fit for psych evaluation yet. 208 00:16:00,790 --> 00:16:03,649 We're moving the boy up to the kids ICU. 209 00:16:03,650 --> 00:16:06,120 The girl is awake, she seems OK. 210 00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:10,569 - Have you seen the newsreel footage? - No. 211 00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:12,129 It looks like a deliberate attempt 212 00:16:12,130 --> 00:16:13,840 to kill herself and her children. 213 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,620 A cry for help? 214 00:16:17,860 --> 00:16:19,160 Maybe. 215 00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:23,040 - Can I say hello? - Sure. 216 00:16:31,780 --> 00:16:33,190 Hello, Olivia. 217 00:16:35,340 --> 00:16:36,720 Do you remember me? 218 00:16:40,590 --> 00:16:42,280 How are you feeling? 219 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,409 The bullet fragments in Mr Spector's body 220 00:17:05,410 --> 00:17:08,440 contained no iron, so he had the MRI scan this morning. 221 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:15,130 There's an absence of evidence for established infarct... 222 00:17:16,130 --> 00:17:20,100 ..but a suggestion here 223 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,409 of a loss of grey white matter differentiation. 224 00:17:23,410 --> 00:17:25,909 Now that may be in keeping with ischaemic insult 225 00:17:25,910 --> 00:17:28,060 in the frontal temporal lobe region, 226 00:17:28,820 --> 00:17:31,910 but I can't say it explains the memory loss. 227 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,879 I'll pass the results on to Dr Larson 228 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:37,639 and he can include them in his assessment. 229 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,549 Do we know what happened to his wife and children? 230 00:17:39,550 --> 00:17:41,969 - How are they? - No serious injury, I think, 231 00:17:41,970 --> 00:17:44,889 but I'm awaiting a call from the ED Consultant. 232 00:17:44,890 --> 00:17:48,009 - Has Mr Spector been informed? - Not yet. 233 00:17:48,010 --> 00:17:49,950 I'm going to wait for further information. 234 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,269 I think we have to make a holding statement of some sort. 235 00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:08,780 Definitely. 236 00:18:09,290 --> 00:18:11,450 Everyone will have seen it by now. 237 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,799 Let's...confirm that an incident happened, 238 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,880 identify the individuals involved. 239 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,560 Oh, there's nothing else, 240 00:18:22,940 --> 00:18:25,439 no speculation about motivation. 241 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,519 The press will do that for us. 242 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:28,820 Yeah. 243 00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:33,000 Will you handle this, please, Matt? 244 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,210 I'll sit down with DCI Eastwood and work something out. 245 00:18:37,810 --> 00:18:39,980 Sound a warning to the press. 246 00:18:41,090 --> 00:18:42,470 And, Matt... 247 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:46,580 Show a human face. 248 00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:05,959 Paul, the police claim your 249 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,330 fingerprints are on a pair of decorating shears. 250 00:19:08,860 --> 00:19:11,710 They say the shears, the scissors, 251 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:15,280 tested positive for Joe Brawley's DNA, a blood sample. 252 00:19:15,630 --> 00:19:18,399 They were retrieved from the water... 253 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,700 here. 254 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,079 I know where that is, I go running there sometimes. 255 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,219 Is it possible you came across the scissors 256 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:29,779 while you were running, considered them dangerous, 257 00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:31,479 picked them up 258 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,700 and threw them into the water, out of harm's way? 259 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:37,090 I don't remember any scissors. 260 00:19:39,140 --> 00:19:42,420 The one real eye witness is his sister, Annie Brawley. 261 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,999 After the attack and before you were arrested 262 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,979 you went to see her in hospital. 263 00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:48,789 I did? Why? 264 00:19:48,790 --> 00:19:51,299 She was grieving the death of her brother. 265 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:53,459 You were employed by the Alice Monroe Fund 266 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:55,560 to offer her support, counselling. 267 00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:58,269 - What happened? - Nothing. 268 00:19:58,270 --> 00:20:01,050 - You talked. - She said you were helpful. 269 00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:08,679 Hold on. I'm, er, sorry, 270 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,550 I'm very confused here. 271 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:13,689 This is someone the police say that I attacked? 272 00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:15,119 Yes. 273 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:16,910 Well, why didn't she recognise me? 274 00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:18,770 I don't know. 275 00:20:20,670 --> 00:20:24,010 Why would I go and visit someone that I'd attacked? 276 00:20:24,930 --> 00:20:27,500 What if she recognised me, what if she started screaming? 277 00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:32,370 It doesn't make sense. 278 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,270 You do have alibis for all of the murders. 279 00:21:03,670 --> 00:21:05,514 They have been provided by an individual 280 00:21:05,515 --> 00:21:07,350 called Katie Benedetto. 281 00:21:08,530 --> 00:21:11,450 She claims she had a sexual relationship with you. 282 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:16,810 I don't know her. What age is she? 283 00:21:17,970 --> 00:21:20,129 She's just turned 16. 284 00:21:20,130 --> 00:21:23,219 She says she was 14 when you first slept together. 285 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:24,730 That's not possible. 286 00:21:25,630 --> 00:21:27,589 A child? That's not possible. 287 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:30,450 There are doubts about her credibility as a witness. 288 00:21:30,860 --> 00:21:34,400 The real issue, Mr Spector, is the confession. 289 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:37,089 I think you should hear a little 290 00:21:37,090 --> 00:21:39,109 of the recording that was made. 291 00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:41,090 It might jog your memory. 292 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,810 Tell me about the first time. 293 00:21:50,420 --> 00:21:52,450 What was it like? 294 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,970 It made me sick. 295 00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:03,020 The smell disgusted me. 296 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,869 The first was the worst and hardest to get over, 297 00:22:07,870 --> 00:22:09,610 but a switch had been flicked, 298 00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:12,140 a line crossed. 299 00:22:13,030 --> 00:22:15,650 Something was done that couldn't be undone. 300 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:19,890 Something that separates you from the common herd. 301 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:24,250 I was ill for four days after. 302 00:22:25,930 --> 00:22:28,650 You're in a state of existential shock... 303 00:22:30,730 --> 00:22:32,679 ..but then you find yourself unchallenged 304 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,960 by divine and secular power. 305 00:22:35,370 --> 00:22:36,780 OK. 306 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,380 So why not do it again... 307 00:22:40,290 --> 00:22:41,590 ..but better? 308 00:22:43,810 --> 00:22:45,410 Tell me, do you speak to them? 309 00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:48,100 To the women that you torture and kill? 310 00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:51,930 No. 311 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,130 Do they die slowly? 312 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:58,920 Yes. 313 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,580 Loosening and tightening your grip around their throat? 314 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:06,310 Keeping them suspended between life and death? 315 00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:09,020 Yes. 316 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:11,850 Binding them first? 317 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:14,050 Yes. 318 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,850 How long do you torture them?' 319 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:20,390 - Stop it. Please, stop it. - Do you inflict sexual acts... 320 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,720 That can't be me talking. 321 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:29,840 How would I forget something like that? That can't be me. 322 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,509 There are other recordings, Mr Spector. 323 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:35,390 These are video recordings. 324 00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:39,910 The prosecution suggest that... 325 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:42,240 they were found on your phone. 326 00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:44,380 That you made them. 327 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,000 - That's Rose. - Yes. 328 00:23:50,730 --> 00:23:52,570 You want to be noticed. 329 00:23:54,580 --> 00:23:56,729 You want to be paid attention to, 330 00:23:56,730 --> 00:23:58,310 make your mark? 331 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:02,310 Fine. Hurt me, 332 00:24:02,820 --> 00:24:04,720 do whatever you want to me. 333 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:07,059 Do your worst. 334 00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:08,779 Nothing you can do 335 00:24:08,780 --> 00:24:12,190 will ever take away how much I love my husband, 336 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,170 how much I love my children. 337 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,109 Nothing you can do 338 00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:20,409 can make me devalue my life in any way. 339 00:24:20,410 --> 00:24:22,329 I will celebrate life. 340 00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:24,669 I love and I am loved 341 00:24:24,670 --> 00:24:26,590 and nothing that you... 342 00:24:31,690 --> 00:24:33,850 Why the fuck are you watching this? 343 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,870 You sick shit. 344 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,010 What the fuck is wrong with you? 345 00:24:48,370 --> 00:24:49,670 Nurse! 346 00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:52,860 Nurse! 347 00:24:54,090 --> 00:24:57,489 Paul, Paul, stop that. Can you step outside, please? 348 00:24:57,490 --> 00:24:58,949 Paul, that's enough, 349 00:24:58,950 --> 00:25:00,469 Paul, focus on your breathing, 350 00:25:00,470 --> 00:25:02,909 focus on your breath. Come on, that's enough. 351 00:25:02,910 --> 00:25:04,359 Just in and out. 352 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:06,509 Slow breathing, you're OK, Paul. 353 00:25:06,510 --> 00:25:08,679 In and out, big, deep breath. 354 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,960 Yeah that's good, that's it, you're OK. 355 00:25:28,810 --> 00:25:30,904 Jesus, what have we got ourselves into? 356 00:25:30,905 --> 00:25:33,029 You having doubts? No. 357 00:25:33,030 --> 00:25:34,419 You sure? Yes. 358 00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:36,099 Because if you are, you can pack up your briefcase 359 00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:37,960 - and sell houses instead. - I'm not. 360 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,939 - Are you Sean Healy? - Yes. 361 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:43,349 Will you give this to Paul for me? 362 00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:45,589 - Katie? - Please, just give this to Paul. 363 00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:47,379 Katie, you're in breach of your bail conditions. 364 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:48,819 You're in serious trouble. 365 00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:50,740 We can't take that letter from you. 366 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,180 Katie, stop! 367 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,260 Katie! 368 00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:05,559 I can confirm that there has been a serious incident involving 369 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,759 the wife and the two children 370 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,529 of the defendant, Paul Spector. 371 00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:11,409 All three are currently being treated 372 00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:12,879 in the Belfast General Hospital. 373 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,579 Their injuries are not life-threatening. 374 00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:17,159 In light of the torrent of publicity 375 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,459 since Paul Spector was arrested and charged, 376 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:20,919 the Police Service Northern 377 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,169 Ireland feel bound to urge the media 378 00:26:24,170 --> 00:26:27,900 to exercise restraint and caution in reporting the details of this case. 379 00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:50,569 Yep. 380 00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:53,550 We've had a request to disclose your dream diary. 381 00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:56,909 Sean Healy wants his own handwriting expert 382 00:26:56,910 --> 00:26:58,950 to examine the entry Spector made. 383 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,720 He's in hospital, 384 00:27:04,530 --> 00:27:06,210 he's incapacitated... 385 00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:08,999 ..and yet he's still infecting the lives 386 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,500 of every person he comes into contact with. 387 00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:16,810 Everyone who fucking crosses his path. 388 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,290 He's a contagion. 389 00:27:29,490 --> 00:27:31,590 Shall I just let them see that page? 390 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,350 They'll just come back asking for the rest. 391 00:27:43,170 --> 00:27:44,470 No. 392 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,880 Clear it with the PPS. 393 00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:50,600 And if they agree, send all of it. 394 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,880 I can't believe that she would harm Livvy. 395 00:28:00,070 --> 00:28:01,830 I just don't think she could do that. 396 00:28:05,470 --> 00:28:06,950 I can picture Sally, 397 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,540 nursing her. 398 00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:11,479 Just... 399 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,250 Just so blissfully happy. 400 00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:17,650 She'd never hurt her. 401 00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:20,990 Where are you in that picture? 402 00:28:23,150 --> 00:28:24,570 Where I always am. 403 00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:28,250 On the outside, looking in. 404 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,920 When I was unconscious, 405 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,580 I was... 406 00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:38,950 I... I could see myself. 407 00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:42,430 In this room. I was able 408 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,949 to see myself from above, 409 00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:46,250 lying in the bed, 410 00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:48,820 with all the tubes and monitors. 411 00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:53,200 Have you ever experienced anything like that before? 412 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,170 Being outside of your body like that? 413 00:28:59,710 --> 00:29:01,390 When I was young, yes. 414 00:29:02,290 --> 00:29:04,090 When things got really bad, 415 00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:07,600 I used to be able to split myself. 416 00:29:09,900 --> 00:29:12,670 If I was lucky, a part of me would just drift away. 417 00:29:14,550 --> 00:29:16,230 To another place, a... 418 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,340 better place. 419 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:24,230 Have you thought any more about what death means to you? 420 00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:29,280 What I think can only disappoint you. 421 00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:31,770 That doesn't matter. 422 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,950 I think that, 423 00:29:39,850 --> 00:29:41,259 just as I didn't 424 00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:43,120 exist before I was born... 425 00:29:44,550 --> 00:29:47,060 ..I simply won't exist after I die. 426 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:50,820 I can't agree. 427 00:29:59,980 --> 00:30:03,160 Do you believe that you did the things they say you did? 428 00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:07,110 Do you? 429 00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:14,220 If I did, then I wasn't arrested... 430 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,490 ..I was rescued. 431 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:25,010 I need you to go to London. 432 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,699 My boss at the Met, a man called Chris George, 433 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:30,370 Chief Superintendent. 434 00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:32,409 I just spoke to him. 435 00:30:32,410 --> 00:30:34,889 He's agreed to sign the authorisations you will need 436 00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:37,069 to access the Susan Harper files. 437 00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:39,029 He's agreed to reopen the case? 438 00:30:39,030 --> 00:30:41,610 He's agreed to let us look at the files. 439 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:43,489 There's a flight leaving Belfast City 440 00:30:43,490 --> 00:30:44,790 in just over an hour. 441 00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:51,600 Will your arm be all right? 442 00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:55,670 Yeah. 443 00:30:58,500 --> 00:30:59,800 Take Ferrington. 444 00:31:01,230 --> 00:31:03,409 These notes cover wound care 445 00:31:03,410 --> 00:31:05,269 and list the medications you're on. 446 00:31:05,270 --> 00:31:08,269 You've had four days of broad intravenous antibiotics, 447 00:31:08,270 --> 00:31:11,019 but I must remind you, because of the loss of your spleen, 448 00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:13,850 you will be on lifelong prophylactic antibiotics. 449 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:19,050 Is there any chance I could see my son 450 00:31:20,020 --> 00:31:21,320 before I go? 451 00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:37,250 Which one is he? 452 00:31:38,140 --> 00:31:39,440 Just there. 453 00:32:06,170 --> 00:32:07,470 Do you remember him? 454 00:32:15,550 --> 00:32:17,550 Do you think he looks like me? 455 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,340 A little bit, maybe. 456 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:26,000 Paul. 457 00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:45,420 I can walk. 458 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,810 Hospital policy. 459 00:32:49,860 --> 00:32:51,160 Sit in the chair. 460 00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:11,460 Thank you for everything. 461 00:34:22,410 --> 00:34:24,019 Detective Superintendent Gibson. 462 00:34:24,020 --> 00:34:25,769 I'm here to see Dr Larson. 463 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:28,480 He's been expecting you. Please sign in. 464 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:34,800 Thank you. 465 00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:40,880 Have I seen you somewhere before? 466 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:47,680 You tell me. 467 00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:55,999 This is Foyle One, 468 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,629 where Mr Spector will be housed. 469 00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:00,239 Doors are kept locked, 470 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,010 all areas are monitored by CCTV. 471 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,360 Staff have lockers here for personal belongings. 472 00:35:07,950 --> 00:35:10,570 You can leave your mobile phone, any keys here. 473 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:16,899 What level of supervision have you set for Spector? 474 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,009 We have agreed to level two care for Mr Spector - 475 00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:21,999 continual presence of nursing staff, 476 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,920 but privacy granted for bathing. 477 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,880 All patients in Foyle One are allocated a primary nurse. 478 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,690 - Male? - Male. 479 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:32,999 How many beds are on this ward? 480 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,380 12 in all. 481 00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:38,309 All the patients we have on the ward at present have 482 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:40,729 access to their rooms at all times, 483 00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:42,480 except when they're being cleaned. 484 00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:44,349 Some patients have keys 485 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:46,314 to lock their bedroom doors, 486 00:35:46,315 --> 00:35:48,270 but staff carry override keys. 487 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,740 This way, please. 488 00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:57,789 Most of the patients are on 489 00:35:57,790 --> 00:35:59,919 pharmacological therapy. 490 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,529 We'll assess the need for a drug strategy 491 00:36:02,530 --> 00:36:04,089 for Mr Spector. 492 00:36:04,090 --> 00:36:05,859 Care and treatment is provided 493 00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:07,600 by a multidisciplinary team, 494 00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:10,620 but I will do the legal assessments. 495 00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:14,150 Yeah, Mr Spector is here now. 496 00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:16,929 There's coffee here, please help yourself. 497 00:36:16,930 --> 00:36:19,050 - Thank you. - I'm going to greet him. 498 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:39,050 HE THAT LOVES NOT ABIDE IN DEATH 499 00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:11,420 Mr Spector, 500 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,620 I'm August Larson, 501 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,780 the lead clinician here. 502 00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:17,470 Follow me, please. 503 00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:48,950 Nurse Ritchie will orientate you. 504 00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:52,750 I will be along to talk to you in a little while. 505 00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:55,290 Follow me, Paul. 506 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:12,149 There's some toiletries for you there. 507 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:15,109 And that's your information on ward routines, 508 00:38:15,110 --> 00:38:16,960 policies and procedures. 509 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,300 Are you hungry? 510 00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:26,150 I haven't been eating much. 511 00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:28,200 I'd like some water. 512 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,060 I'll get you some. 513 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,479 - Do you have time to talk? - Yes. 514 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,890 Have a seat, please. 515 00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:54,410 Actually I... 516 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,390 I have some things I want to show you. 517 00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:28,930 And you're certain these are his work? 518 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,260 Yes. 519 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:41,440 Is this his poem? 520 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:43,240 I think so. 521 00:39:45,590 --> 00:39:47,720 "Dark voices tonight... 522 00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:51,330 "..foreign ladies talking to dangerous men. 523 00:39:52,180 --> 00:39:54,650 "Their eyes are lunar divisions. 524 00:39:55,470 --> 00:39:57,250 "They lie on dead sheets. 525 00:39:58,580 --> 00:40:01,170 "A drunken midnight approach. 526 00:40:02,590 --> 00:40:05,360 "Her smile is a crooked lamplight. 527 00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:07,930 "Red lips parting... 528 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:12,160 "..soft vowels begging... 529 00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:14,360 "feeding the night." 530 00:40:20,410 --> 00:40:22,210 Some clean clothes for you. 531 00:40:37,610 --> 00:40:39,130 Is this his, too? 532 00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:41,970 "I don't believe in love. 533 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,180 "At least, I believe in love, but not in happiness. 534 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,980 "The only love that lasts 535 00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:53,309 "is unhappy love." 536 00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:55,630 Again, I think it must be him. 537 00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:59,870 I haven't found either on an internet search. 538 00:41:01,330 --> 00:41:04,280 There are some things in there that are new to me. 539 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,910 He writes at one point about 540 00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:10,089 the battle, as he perceives it, 541 00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:12,010 between "good Paul" and "bad Paul". 542 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:15,300 He describes 543 00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:19,499 standing back, being a spectator of his own actions, 544 00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:23,400 that there's an observing self and a participating self. 545 00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:35,960 There is a dazzling array of perversions. 546 00:41:37,070 --> 00:41:39,600 I mean, beyond the sadism and the 547 00:41:40,030 --> 00:41:43,900 overwhelming fetishism with female underwear. 548 00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:46,289 He was a voyeur, 549 00:41:46,290 --> 00:41:48,140 a transvestite... 550 00:41:48,590 --> 00:41:51,500 into autoeroticism and necrophilia. 551 00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:53,759 There's also signs of 552 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,360 pygmalionism - his obsession with mannequins and dolls. 553 00:41:58,550 --> 00:42:00,890 I've sometimes wondered if he 554 00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:03,479 breathed air 555 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,410 into his dying victims to prolong their lives... 556 00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:11,150 ..so that they could see clearly that he was going to kill them. 557 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,880 When young children are abused, 558 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:26,450 they experience fear and anxiety. 559 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:30,060 They then attempt to contain those feelings 560 00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:32,410 by acting out sadistically. 561 00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:35,419 If a person is able to do to others 562 00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:37,370 what he fears may be done to him, 563 00:42:37,850 --> 00:42:39,780 he may no longer be afraid. 564 00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:44,060 You assume he was abused? 565 00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:47,910 He was in Gortnacull, I think? 566 00:42:49,210 --> 00:42:52,039 Doctor, I understand that 567 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,949 for you he's a patient, 568 00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:55,450 an abused child, 569 00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:59,319 someone who deserves understanding and 570 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,810 compassion, even. 571 00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:04,879 But to me, he's a... 572 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,670 He's a sexual predator, 573 00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:10,460 and it's my job to protect the potential victims 574 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:13,040 from the threat that he poses. 575 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,239 Viewed from a psychodynamic perspective, 576 00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,609 even the most apparently insane violence 577 00:43:26,610 --> 00:43:29,650 has meaning in the mind of the person who commits it. 578 00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:33,069 I have to try to understand that meaning 579 00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:34,639 and learn from it 580 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,230 in the attempt to prevent further violence. 581 00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:40,160 Yeah. 582 00:43:42,070 --> 00:43:43,469 Just 583 00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:45,670 don't underestimate the threat... 584 00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:49,329 ..the danger that Paul Spector represents. 585 00:43:49,330 --> 00:43:50,880 I won't. 586 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,349 Do you have an idea 587 00:44:03,350 --> 00:44:05,840 about Mr Spector's pre-morbid IQ? 588 00:44:06,490 --> 00:44:08,620 He was tested as a child 589 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:12,410 and scored in the very superior intelligence band. 590 00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:15,559 Thank you. 591 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,440 It's been a pleasure talking to you. 592 00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:33,709 Psychiatry needs feedback from patients. 593 00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:36,529 It's realised in interpersonal contacts, 594 00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:38,850 so trust is essential. 595 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,249 It is not my place to judge him 596 00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:43,589 for what he may or may not have done, 597 00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:46,709 but I will try to get to the truth of the matter 598 00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:48,850 for the courts and for you. 599 00:44:50,370 --> 00:44:51,920 He is going to prison. 600 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,350 Let me show you out. 601 00:44:58,650 --> 00:45:01,129 All right, boys. 602 00:45:01,130 --> 00:45:02,810 Out you come. 603 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:12,230 You should try to eat some fruit at least. 604 00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:24,609 Rose Stagg is waiting for you, Ma'am. 605 00:46:24,610 --> 00:46:26,469 - Right. - She's in the interview room. 606 00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:28,839 What's... What's happening with the Benedetto girl? 607 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,490 She's in custody, due in court again tomorrow. 608 00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:34,750 - Will you sit in with us, Gail? - Yes, Ma'am. 609 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,880 What's the next thing that you remember? 610 00:46:42,850 --> 00:46:44,150 Darkness. 611 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:46,540 And movement - 612 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,570 being thrown around. 613 00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:53,960 I think he must have drugged me when he gave me water. 614 00:46:57,850 --> 00:47:00,650 It took me a while to work out what was happening... 615 00:47:01,570 --> 00:47:03,100 that I was in the car, 616 00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:05,060 in the boot of a car. 617 00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:08,430 It was terrifying. 618 00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:10,509 I was thrown around horribly, 619 00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:12,629 particularly towards the end. 620 00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:14,340 I felt like a rag doll. 621 00:47:15,310 --> 00:47:17,380 Every bump made me cry out. 622 00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:21,440 Then the car stopped, 623 00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:24,440 the engine was turned off. 624 00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:28,450 The driver's door opened... 625 00:47:31,470 --> 00:47:32,970 ..and then silence. 626 00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:37,250 I waited and waited... 627 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,850 but nothing happened. 628 00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:45,280 I realised I'd been left there alone. 629 00:47:47,930 --> 00:47:51,260 There were some old water bottles in the boot 630 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,550 so at first I could drink. 631 00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:56,710 But then there was none left. 632 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,629 I tried to pull the brake lights out 633 00:48:01,630 --> 00:48:03,560 to let in more air, 634 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,620 but I couldn't shift them. 635 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,310 I felt so weak. 636 00:48:10,650 --> 00:48:12,050 There was no air. 637 00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:17,289 I became obsessed 638 00:48:17,290 --> 00:48:19,140 with the sound of my own breathing. 639 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:21,820 I'd fall asleep, but 640 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,020 I'd have no idea for how long. 641 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,120 At first I thought I could tell 642 00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:32,530 whether it was day or night 643 00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:37,760 from the smell of the air, but then the air got staler and staler. 644 00:48:40,770 --> 00:48:42,880 I lost all track of time. 645 00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:50,570 I tried to think about the kids, 646 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,190 but I couldn't focus. 647 00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:59,560 I felt my brain was shutting down. 648 00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:06,110 The last thing I remember 649 00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:09,510 was thinking that I should burrow, 650 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,780 that I should dig down into the earth to hide, 651 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,210 to feel safe and warm. 652 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,529 Like an animal, 653 00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:20,830 digging... 654 00:49:27,210 --> 00:49:29,630 I don't remember anything after that. 655 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,380 Thank you. 656 00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:43,290 Can I talk to you... 657 00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:45,950 alone? 658 00:49:46,420 --> 00:49:47,760 Without the tape? 659 00:49:51,970 --> 00:49:53,799 This is DC Gail McNally 660 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,560 suspending the interview at 10.43pm. 661 00:50:14,570 --> 00:50:16,330 I haven't been... 662 00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:21,530 I haven't been completely honest with you. 663 00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:24,359 I led you to believe 664 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,980 that after that one time he strangled me, 665 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,820 that it ended. 666 00:50:31,810 --> 00:50:33,160 But it didn't. 667 00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:37,340 I suspected as much. 668 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,730 It wasn't that simple. 669 00:50:46,990 --> 00:50:49,340 We went to some dark places. 670 00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:53,420 The first time it happened, 671 00:50:53,810 --> 00:50:56,159 I was giving him... 672 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,110 I was... using my mouth on him. 673 00:51:01,330 --> 00:51:03,750 He squeezed his legs around my neck. 674 00:51:04,890 --> 00:51:07,130 I couldn't breathe. I was... 675 00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:11,610 Take your time. 676 00:51:22,890 --> 00:51:25,160 He squeezed really tight. 677 00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:28,299 I thought I was going to pass out but 678 00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:29,750 he released me. 679 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,630 He treated it a bit like a game, at first. 680 00:51:39,790 --> 00:51:41,949 I'd already begun to think he didn't have 681 00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:44,450 much enthusiasm for ordinary intercourse... 682 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,350 ..but then things got more serious. 683 00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:55,170 He asked me to play dead. 684 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,110 And then there was the time that I told you about. 685 00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:04,970 I think he revived me, mouth to mouth. 686 00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:13,040 There were times when he wanted to use a plastic 687 00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:14,850 bag on me, 688 00:52:15,850 --> 00:52:17,170 on himself. 689 00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:23,460 He said that we all 690 00:52:23,820 --> 00:52:25,410 try to live in the light, 691 00:52:26,170 --> 00:52:28,699 that we all try to build walls around us 692 00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:30,439 to block out the darkness, 693 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,310 the danger that's out there, 694 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,219 but it can't be done, 695 00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:35,520 it's a lie, 696 00:52:36,310 --> 00:52:39,310 that in reality there are dark gods out there 697 00:52:40,310 --> 00:52:43,420 and that men could become gods on earth 698 00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:45,760 through a certain kind of sex. 699 00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:48,730 And women? 700 00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:51,120 I think so. 701 00:52:52,270 --> 00:52:53,570 I'm sorry. 702 00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:56,450 I can't really explain it. 703 00:53:00,620 --> 00:53:02,280 Why did you walk away? 704 00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:07,430 It felt to me 705 00:53:08,010 --> 00:53:10,379 that everything that was happening 706 00:53:10,380 --> 00:53:12,530 was about pleasing him. 707 00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:17,660 That it wasn't about me at all. 708 00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:22,810 I left him and I went back to Tom. 709 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,080 And what about Spector? 710 00:53:27,210 --> 00:53:30,210 He went to London, I think. 711 00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:33,960 Did you and Spector ever do drugs? 712 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,009 I think I told you that we drank a lot. 713 00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:39,600 - Cocaine? - No, 714 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,530 not with me, but maybe he did back then. 715 00:53:50,570 --> 00:53:53,300 My life with Tom couldn't be more different. 716 00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:56,309 Things have been difficult 717 00:53:56,310 --> 00:53:57,720 since the birth of Cody. 718 00:54:00,050 --> 00:54:02,490 Actually, since my first Caesarean. 719 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,580 And how are they now? 720 00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:09,970 It's strange. 721 00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:13,900 When he talks to me now, 722 00:54:15,610 --> 00:54:17,910 I don't really listen to the words that he's saying, 723 00:54:18,910 --> 00:54:20,770 just to the tone of his voice. 724 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,439 From that I can work out 725 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,090 whether he likes me or not, 726 00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:29,340 whether he's emotionally close to me. 727 00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:37,030 Right now, he's angry... 728 00:54:40,330 --> 00:54:42,450 ..and I don't think he likes me very much. 729 00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:46,760 Rose, 730 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,560 there's something I need to tell you. 731 00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,180 I think that... 732 00:55:00,390 --> 00:55:01,879 I'm the reason that 733 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,150 Paul Spector came after you. 734 00:55:06,850 --> 00:55:08,400 How? 735 00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:11,910 I think I... 736 00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:17,039 I think I revealed your identity as my informant 737 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,450 when I used his name - Peter. 738 00:55:21,090 --> 00:55:23,910 The name that you gave me when I spoke to him on the phone. 739 00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:30,160 Using that name, 740 00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:35,040 together with the E-Fit that we had created, 741 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,810 I think led him straight to you. 742 00:55:39,630 --> 00:55:40,930 I was 743 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,530 trying to convey that... 744 00:55:44,810 --> 00:55:46,510 ..well, that we were on to him. 745 00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:51,410 I was trying to scare him to stop the attacks. 746 00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:57,710 And it worked to the extent that he ran, 747 00:55:59,860 --> 00:56:01,359 but...but when we didn't do anything, 748 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,830 when we didn't pounce... 749 00:56:06,030 --> 00:56:07,530 he came after you. 750 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,769 I hadn't realised 751 00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:18,240 your relationship was so meaningful to him. 752 00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:27,550 He said I was the only one. 753 00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:33,300 That I was the only girl. 754 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:39,280 I believe it. 755 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,860 I'm glad I'm not the only one to have made mistakes. 756 00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:08,990 Thank you. 757 00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:24,430 Go fuck that! Jesus fucking Christ! 758 00:57:37,650 --> 00:57:39,230 I'm Mark Bailey. 759 00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:42,490 Who are you? 760 00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:51,670 I'm told I'm the Belfast Strangler. 761 00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:56,340 Are you? 762 00:57:59,330 --> 00:58:00,630 Maybe. 763 00:58:01,650 --> 00:58:03,620 Right now, I don't remember. 764 00:58:09,970 --> 00:58:11,890 Wasn't well. Better now. 765 00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:15,460 Wasn't well. Better now. 766 00:58:16,310 --> 00:58:18,290 Wasn't well. Better now. 767 00:59:01,130 --> 00:59:04,110 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd Sync: trx